大乱斗模式加入的ban英雄环节让这个游戏模式变得更加有意思了
I ban Ziggs every time. EVERY TIME
我要永远ban掉吉格斯，永，远。
Fuck that crazy adorable huggable bomb spamming maniac...best champ in ARAM. Fact.
这个带着炸弹的魔法疯子，真的是大乱斗最强的英雄了。
But anyway it's actually more fair now. Which makes it more fun
现在确实更加公平了，大乱斗也会更有乐趣。
Sames but with veigar, fk that huge ass cage
小法师维嘉也一样，那个超大的牢笼真的可以去见鬼了！
Have you ever played against Veigar AND Ziggs? If you got caught in the cage, Ziggs could throw his W making you hit the walls and actually stuning you. That's bullshit. I'm glad they are both gonna be permabanned.
你们遇到过对面大乱斗有吉格斯 维嘉的组合吗？
如果你被维迦的E框住了，吉格斯扔个W然后就能把你炸到墙上，让你被禁锢住。
这太他妈恶心了！我很高兴他们现在都被永久ban掉了！
A few months ago, I got to play against a full AP team of Veigar and Ziggs, but with a Mundo and Garen in our team.
几个月前，我就玩过这样一局，对面是全AP阵容，包括维迦和吉格斯，但是我们队里有蒙多和盖伦。
We struggled really hard for about 10min and suddenly Garen and Mundo were running them around the turrets tanking shots.
我们前10分钟被打的生活不能自理，然后突然之间盖伦和蒙多就直接王他们脸上跑，疯狂越塔。
Playing Mundo against a full AP team feels so good.
当你随到蒙多然后碰到对面全AP阵容，那叫一个爽啊！
Most tanks against full AP have a huge advantage.
绝大多数坦克英雄面对全AP阵容的时候都有着巨大的优势。
Yea but mundo is on another level than most tanks against AP. Mundo against full AP feels like rammus or malphite against full AD.
没错，但是论克制全AP阵容，蒙多比其他的坦克英雄还强上一个档次。就跟拉莫斯或者墨菲特面对菜刀队一样的水平。
Because his ult gives him nearly another 100% of his hp they have to go thru again, and most ap mages are bursty only in their cd cycles, unlike sustained dps of an adc.
因为他的大招能让他回复几乎100%的生命值，很多AP法师都是爆发伤害，用完技能就进入CD冷却了，而不像ADC那样能有稳定持续的输出。
honestly the reason Veigar is so strong is because he can build shit like a warmog's and still have the most damage potential in the game
讲道理，维迦在大乱斗里很强的原因是他能出狂徒铠甲这样的肉装，然后还能打出成吨的输出。
Sona is still better.
还是ban娑娜吧
Last night I played 5 or 6 games of ARAM, Sona was on the other team in all but one.
But today... Today is a good day.
昨晚上我打了五六把大乱斗，只有一把对面没有摇到娑娜、
但是到了今天…今天是个好日子啊！
I am part of the 30%.
I lost a ARAM game on Sona AMA
我就是那30%中的一员。
终于轮到我了，我在大乱斗里选到了娑娜结果输了，大家有什么想问的？
（琴女大乱斗胜率高达70%）
With the balance changes that have happened, most champs should have closer to 50% win rate, including sona (-10% damage done and -25% healing done). She is still strong, but no way near as op
随着最近这些更新，绝大多数的英雄胜率都回接近50%，这其中也包括娑娜（造成伤害减少10%，治疗量减少25%）她仍然很强势，但是并不像以前那样OP了。
The heal reduction is a actually a slap on the wrist tho, they should've reduced the strenght of her shield if they wanted to seriously impact her winrate
说实在的削弱治疗量真的是不痛不痒，如果拳头真的想降低娑娜的胜率的话，他们应该削弱娑娜提供的护盾值。
Xerath is my personal bane.
现在泽拉斯已经上了我个人的永久ban位。
I wouldn't be surprised if he had a 75% win rate on Aram.
说真的，如果泽拉斯在大乱斗里有75%的胜率我也不会感到吃惊。
60% at plat
在白金以上的分段，泽拉斯胜率高达60%
Fiddlesticks will never be in an aram game again for me. That or Zyra or Veigar.
对于我来说，对面绝对不可能出现稻草人费德提克这个英雄。或者是婕拉和维迦。
Agreed fuck zyra fuck her everywhere
完全同意，草婕拉，狂草婕拉！
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重口味啊兄弟
Bans yes, the fcking ghost boots not
its just not fun if assasins can walk right behind you somewhat unnoticed due to the hectic gameplay of aram
有ban位是好事，但是那个特么的幽灵之靴是个什么鬼玩意儿？
玩大乱斗的时候对面的刺客们可以穿墙直接溜到你身后，这就没意思了啊。
Luckily no tanks in my games have tried them out yet, the assassins that did just insta died. It always works the 1st time then the rest of the match they get farmed
很幸运的是我的游戏里还没有坦克英雄尝试过购买幽灵之靴，而那些选择了这个装备的刺客们通常都是直接暴毙。第一次出其不意往往能奏效，但是其余时候他们就无机可乘了。
I only play ARAM (but I unlock champions so I don’t have one of those accounts) and I hate the bans so much. I don’t want to ban the good champions because then we can’t get them. And the games aren’t as fun to me without the champions anywhere. I feel more accomplished when we come back to win with a shitty comp, and if it’s too unbalanced whatever it’s just Aram.
我是个只玩大乱斗模式的玩家（但是我解锁了很多英雄，所以我没有那种只有大乱斗强势英雄的游戏账号）我很讨厌这个ban位的设置。我不想ban掉那些强力的英雄，因为这样的话我们也选不到他们了，而这个游戏模式失去了那些英雄之后也就变得不再有趣了。当我们依靠一个很烂的阵容完成逆转的时候我会获得更多的成就感，而如果阵容实在是太过于不平衡的话，我也不会说什么，毕竟这是大乱斗嘛。
It all sucks. Either nerf/buff for Aram or have bans not both and honestly I’d prefer neither.
And random means random
现在则全都糟透了，不光是这些对于英雄的增强或者削弱，还是新增加的ban位，说实话我真的不是很喜欢这些变动。
既然是大乱斗，就得乱起来啊！
I don’t want to ban the good champions
Between only the 10 bans, and overlaps, the chances of all the "good" champions being 100% removed from the match are slim.
“我不想ban掉那些强力的英雄”
所有强力英雄在10个ban位里全部被ban掉的可能性非常小。
People pick random crap all the time, or both teams will pick 2-3 of the same bans.
玩家们随时都可能选到辣鸡的英雄，或者双方会出现2到3个重复的ban位也说不定。
I only play ARAM aswell and love this. Random my ass, a large majority of my matches always had me against ziggs and veigar. I'm happy with the ziggs nerf and dont mind him now but I'm more ecstatic about no more veigars
我也只玩大乱斗模式，而且我非常喜欢这次改动。随机？我真呵呵了，我的对局里经常会出现吉格斯或者维迦在我的对面。很高兴看到吉格斯被削弱，现在我不是很在乎他了，但是对于没有维迦出现我感到更加兴奋！
i guess i am oldschool or hardcore in this regard?
I think banning champions is against the purpose of an A.L.L. RANDOM game. since it's not random anymore
我觉得我是不是有点过于老派或者较真了？
我觉得禁掉英雄是有违大乱斗自由随机的理念的，因为这样就不是自由随机了呀。
It was never truly random as all champs weren't unlocked for everyone. I'd prefer no bans if all champs were unlocked, but since that's not the case, I want bans.
但不是每个玩家都解锁了全部英雄，所以这从一开始也不是很自由随机的啊。如果所有英雄都能够使用的话，那我觉得不设立ban位还是可以的，但是既然事实并非如此，那我还是想要一些ban位。
It's beautiful not to go against jhin, sona, lux and ziggs (my personal permaban as well).
不用面对烬、娑娜、拉克丝和吉格斯（我个人的永久ban位）真是太美好了！
Aram got much more fun since the changes.
大乱斗自从这次更新之后变得有趣多了。
Also, fuck ziggs, like I have PTSD against him in the murder bridge.
另外补充一下，去特么的炸弹人，我现在在屠夫之桥上都快得PTSD了。
I mean, have you played him yet? He does no damage now, 15% damage nerf 15% nerf on his Q from the poke modifier. I love when the enemy team bans him he's trash now
但是，你真的玩过吉格斯了吗？他现在几乎打不出什么伤害了，15%的伤害值削弱 Q技能伤害15%削弱。很高兴能看到对面ban吉格斯，因为他现在很垃圾了。
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