萨古鲁 Isha
Venture into the exhilarating worlds of skateboarder Nyjah Huston and Sadhguru, as they navigate an engaging conversation about life, balance, and mental health. From courageous stunts and pushing through pain, to attaining inner equilibrium and understanding the contemporary mental health landscape – their dialogue surfs through unusual and inspiring terrains. Read on for an intriguing catch-up.
随着滑板运动员尼亚·休斯敦和萨古鲁这场关于生命、平衡和心理健康的引人入胜的谈话，“冒险” 进入他们令人兴奋的世界。从勇敢的特技表演、挺过疼痛，到获得内在平衡及了解当代心理健康现状——他们的对话驰骋于不同寻常和充满启发的疆域。继续阅读这段引人入胜的谈话吧。
Nyjah Huston: It’s so nice to meet and conversate with you because I’ve seen a lot of the videos of you where you talk about people making the most out of their lives and not being so stuck in their everyday routine.
尼亚·休斯敦：可以与您见面交谈真是太棒了，因为我看了许多您的视频，您谈到人们最大程度地发挥出自己的生命，而不陷在自己的日常生活中。
Sadhguru: If life allows you to do what you really care for, that’s the greatest privilege.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：如果生命允许你去做自己真正关心的事，那是莫大的幸事。
Nyjah Huston: Yes, I agree. I’m always so thankful for that.
尼亚·休斯敦：是的，我同意。我一直对此非常感激。
Fans often come up to me, and they’re like, “Oh, I love your skating. I used to skate back when I was a kid, but I fell and broke my wrist, and I didn’t want to do it anymore.” It really takes a certain type of person to be able to get back up time after time again, after taking so many hard falls, enduring the pain, the bleeding, concussions, ending up in the hospital, and still being willing to do it. So, what’s your take on that, and what kind of mindset do you think it takes?
粉丝们经常来找我，他们会这样说：“噢，我喜欢你的滑板表演。我小时候也曾玩滑板，但我摔倒手腕骨折了，然后我就再也不想玩了。”真的要某种类型的人才能够在那么多次严重摔倒之后，忍受疼痛、流血、脑震荡，最终进医院，仍然愿意做这件事，一次又一次地重振旗鼓。那么，您对此有什么看法？您觉得这需要什么样的心态？
Sadhguru: Well, there is no adventure without danger. If someone thinks they can do adventure without any danger, they’ll end up with a venture. Pursuing ventures or seeking adventures are two different ways of looking at life. So, is it necessary for everybody to break their bones? No, but it may happen.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：嗯，没有毫无危险的冒险。如果有人觉得他们可以毫无危险地冒险，他们最终会进行一项投机。追求投机或寻求冒险是两种不同的看待生命的方式。那，有必要让每个人都骨折吗？没有，但这可能发生。
Nyjah Huston: At least for me, a big part of it is about accepting the fact that in some situations, there’s a high chance of me getting hurt, instead of being in denial of it.
尼亚·休斯敦：至少对我来说，这件事主要是在于接受在一些情况下我极可能受伤的这个事实，而不是否认它。
Sadhguru: In these many, many years of riding and crisscrossing India, only once, I broke a bone. One day, I came across a hill that is very interesting to ride. I thought, “Why don’t I just ride down off-road?” So, I went down on my motorcycle, over the rocks and through the bushes. I couldn’t see anything. A tree branch came and shattered my left ring finger. But I kept going, and I came to the bottom without falling down or breaking anything, except my ring finger. That’s the only broken bone I had on a motorcycle.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：在我骑摩托车纵横穿越印度这么多年中，只有一次我骨折了。一天，我来到了一个骑起来很有趣的小山。我想：“为什么不越野骑下山呢？”所以，我骑摩托车下山，越过石头，穿过灌木丛。我什么也看不见。一个树枝出现，打断了我的左手无名指。但是我继续骑行，一路骑到了山脚，没有摔倒或骨折，除了我的无名指。那是我骑摩托车发生的唯一一次骨折。
Nyjah Huston: Surprisingly, the only bone I’ve ever actually broken is my pinky finger. That’s funny to hear you have a similar story. But you must be pretty good at riding if you can just cruise off into the jungle and not fall. I respect that.
尼亚·休斯敦：太神奇了，我唯一一次真正的骨折是我的小拇指。听到你有类似的经历真是有趣。但如果你可以直接骑进丛林而不摔倒，你一定非常擅长骑摩托车。我敬佩这一点。
Sadhguru: Balance, above all, balance in life. If you’re mentally, physically, and emotionally balanced, you can do everything to the best of your ability. This is one thing that most human beings lack. They may be intelligent, they may be talented, they may have many capabilities, but there’s no balance. When there’s no balance, your capabilities turn against you, one way or the other.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：平衡，最重要的是生命中的平衡。如果你在头脑、身体和情绪上是平衡的，你可以尽你所能做任何事。但这是大多数人都缺乏的一个东西。他们也许聪慧，他们也许有才华，他们也许有许多能力，但是没有平衡。如果没有平衡，不管怎样你的能力都会与你作对。
If you’re mentally, physically, and emotionally balanced, you can do everything to the best of your ability.如果你在头脑、身体和情绪上是平衡的，你可以尽你所能做任何事。
Nyjah Huston: Speaking of that – what are your thoughts about how in this day and age, so many people are suffering from anxiety, depression, overthinking, and that whole aspect?
尼亚·休斯敦：说到这个——你怎么看待当今时代那么多人在遭受焦虑、抑郁、过度思考以及这整个方面的痛苦？
Sadhguru: There is no such thing as overthinking. People are not thinking enough. But because there is so much friction in their thinking, they think they are thinking too much. There’s no such thing. If you’re driving a tractor, which has got a lot of friction, going at 40 miles per hour might feel very fast. But if you’re riding a fast motorcycle, you may not realize that you’re going 120 miles per hour because it’s moving without much friction.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：没有过度思考这回事。人们思考得不够多。但是因为他们的思考中有太多摩擦，他们觉得自己思考过度了。没有这回事。如果你在开拖拉机，它有很多摩擦，那每小时40英里也许就觉得很快了。但是如果你在骑一辆很快的摩托车，你也许不会意识到你在以每小时120英里的速度驾驶，因为它是在没有多少摩擦的情况下行驶的。
The same goes for your body and your mind. If your mind is in a lot of friction, and you have ten thoughts, then you think you’re overthinking. But you can have a million thoughts per day and still be cool if there’s no friction. The problem is friction, not too many thoughts. People are not thinking enough, if you ask me.
你的身体和你的头脑也是如此。如果你的头脑有很多摩擦，那么如果你有十个想法，你就会觉得自己思虑过度了。但如果没有摩擦，你可以每天有一百万个想法还仍然冷静。问题在于摩擦，而不是太多的想法。如果你问我，人们思考得还不够多。
Nyjah Huston: I like that way to look at it.
尼亚·休斯敦：我欣赏这个视角。
Sadhguru: There are tools and methods as to how to make your mind function the way you want. And the whole human mechanism is so fantastic. If you make it work for you, it’ll do wonders. If you make it work against you, it’s a torture. We can teach you something which sets you up.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：有一些工具和方法，可以让你的头脑以你想要的方式运作。整个人体机制就是这么奇妙，如果你让它为你工作，它会创造奇迹；如果你让它与你作对，它会是一种折磨。我们可以教你一些东西把你设置好。
I must tell you how I got into these yogic practices. I was maybe around 12. In the summer vacation, we always went to our ancestral home, my grandfather’s place. There was a well of about eight feet in diameter, where the water was at least 60 to 70 feet below the ground level. We used to jump into the well. You have to go down straight. If you jump down at an angle, your brains will become a smear on the wall.
我必须告诉你我是如何开始这些瑜伽练习的。我大约十二岁，暑假我们总是去我们的祖屋，我爷爷家。那里有一口直径约八英尺的井，水低于地面至少六十到七十英尺。我们那时经常跳到井里。你必须直着跳下去，如果你以一定角度跳下去，你的脑袋会在墙上开花。
The whole human mechanism is so fantastic. If you make it work for you, it’ll do wonders.整个人体机制就是这么奇妙，如果你让它为你工作，它会创造奇迹。
And for climbing up, there is no foothold, no step, no ladder, nothing – just rocks to hold on with your fingertips. By the time you reach the top, your fingernails will be bleeding from the sheer pressure. I was pretty good at that.
而要爬上来，没有落脚处，没有台阶，没有梯子，什么都没有——只有你可以用手指尖抓住的石头。等你爬yishi上来，你的手指甲会因为压力太大而流血。我非常擅长这个。
One day, a man who was over 70 years old simply stood there and watched us quietly as we did this. Then, without a word, he came and jumped in. I thought this old guy was finished. But he came up faster than me. I didn’t like it. I asked him, “How?” He said, “Come and do Yoga.” That’s why I’m telling you, come and do some Yoga – you’ll do your tricks much better. [Laughs]
一天，当我们玩跳井时，一位七十多岁的人就安静地站在那里看着我们。然后，他一言不发地走过来，跳了进去。我想这个老家伙完了。但是他比我还快地爬了上来。我不不乐意了。我问他：“你怎么做到的？”他说：“来做瑜伽。”这就是为什么我要告诉你，来做些瑜伽——你的特技会做得更好。（笑）
Nyjah Huston: I’m into it. I want to be able to keep doing what I’m doing for as long as possible and keep the body healthy, keep the mind healthy, and the balance on and off the board. Sounds like that’s the key.
尼亚·休斯敦：我很感兴趣。我想能尽可能长久地做我正在做的事，保持身体健康，保持心理健康，并在场上和场下都保持平衡。听起来那是关键。
Sadhguru: If you’re balanced, you’re on board with life.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：如果你是平衡的，你就是在与生命结伴而行。
Nyjah Huston: Love that. Thank you so much for meeting. It’s an honor to meet you and talk about life and meaningful things. I feel like not enough people nowadays talk about real meaningful things.
尼亚·休斯敦：说得太好了。非常感谢您与我见面。很荣幸见到您，谈谈生命和有意义的事情。我觉得现今没多少人谈论真正有意义的事情。
Sadhguru: About anxiety and other things you mentioned, we are launching a movement called Conscious Planet in 2024.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：关于焦虑和你提到的别的事情，我们将在2024年发起一个叫作“意识星球”的运动。
Nyjah Huston: Awesome.
尼亚·休斯敦：太棒了。
Sadhguru: This will offer a variety of possibilities for people to do some simple practice, 12 to 15 minutes a day to bring mental wellbeing. Today, it’s become a huge concern in the world, especially in the United States. The number of people who are having mental fluctuations or ailments is very, very high. In another 15 to 25 years, almost every home will have at least one mentally disturbed person. We are going there very rapidly.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：它会给人们提供多种可能性，去做一些简单的练习，每天花十二到十五分钟以带来心理健康。今天，尤其是在美国，这已经成了巨大的担忧，有心理波动或疾病的人数非常、非常多。再过十五到二十五年，几乎每个家庭都会有至少一位心理疾病患者。我们正在非常快地向那里发展。
If you’re balanced, you’re on board with life.如果你是平衡的，你就是在与生命结伴而行。
We want this to reach at least three billion people and encourage them to spend 15 minutes a day to do something for their own mental wellbeing. Because mental illness does not mean, “Someone is mentally sick, and I am not.” We are all walking the thin line between sanity and insanity. One wrong step, and we could be there. When people are young, they don’t think they’ll ever be physically ill. But how many millions and millions of people are ill one way or the other.
我们想要这个运动触及至少三十亿人，鼓励他们每天花十五分钟为自己的心理健康做一些事情。因为心理疾病不意味着“有人精神失常，而我没有”，我们都在理智和疯狂之间走钢丝，走错一步，我们可能就到那里了。当人们年轻时，他们不觉得自己会有身体疾病。但是有多少人患有这样或那样的疾病呢！
Just like physical illness, mental illness can happen to us if we take a step in the wrong direction. So, the Conscious Planet movement is about bringing this awareness and giving people tools to fix themselves, for them to make sure that they don’t go there, or if they are already there, to come out of it. With just 15 minutes investment per day, one can come out of it. Let’s make it happen so that we live in a healthy world.
就像身体疾病，如果我们在错的方向上走出一步，心理疾病也会发生在我们身上。所以，“意识星球”运动在于带来这种觉知，并且给人们修复自己的工具。让他们确保自己不去到那里；或者如果他们已经在那里了，就从中走出来。每天只需投入十五分钟，一个人就能从中走出来。让我们实现它，从而我们生活在一个健康的世界。
Nyjah Huston: Let’s do it. I’m definitely down to be a part of that. It sounds great. The world needs more of that.
尼亚·休斯敦：让我们开始吧。我绝对要参与其中。这听起来棒极了。世界需要更多这种事情。
